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Two Pregnancies, One Old Ex, And A Mother Stuck In The Middle

by Charles Butler
November 17, 2025
in Social Issues

Family drama hits different when babies enter the chat.

In this story, a mom has two daughters who used to be close. One dated a guy in college, broke up, moved on. Years later, the younger sister reconnected with that same guy and married him.

The older sister felt deeply betrayed and cut her sibling off. The parents tried to walk a tightrope for five years, seeing each daughter separately and never forcing contact.

Now both sisters are pregnant at the same time. Instead of bringing everyone closer, the pregnancies triggered a massive ultimatum. The older daughter says her parents must cut off the younger one and her baby, or she will block them from her own child’s life.

The mom does not want to disown any child. She also does not want to lose a grandchild. She feels trapped in a no-win choice and asks if she is wrong for refusing to comply.

Now, read the full story:

Two Pregnancies, One Old Ex, And A Mother Stuck In The Middle
Not the actual photo'AITA for refusing to stop seeing my daughter over her sister?'

I 56F and my husband Kurt 59M have 2 daughters, Ruth 32 and June 30.

8 years ago, Ruth split up with her college boyfriend, Adam 32. They'd been together since she was 20 or 21 and it was as serious as a college relationship...

About 5 years ago, June announced that she reconnected with Adam at some alumni get together. They'd all gone to the same university. She said that they were now dating.

Of course, Kurt and I were shocked she would do this despite her sister's history with him. But she insisted that they were in love and she can't help that.

She said that Ruth and Adam hadn't been together in years, so she hasn't done anything wrong. Ruth understandably was enraged over it.

She said she was done with June and would never see her again. This broke me, they were so close growing up and I prayed every day they'd reconcile.

I accepted they're adults who can make their own choices and we have no say. Kurt and I were also very disappointed with June and told her off many times.

After she proved that there was never any cheating while Ruth and Adam were together, things between us settled down. Out of respect for Ruth's feelings, we never brought the...

Ruth and June visit us separately and still aren't on speaking terms after 5 years. We maintained our relationships.

Now, June and Adam are married. Ruth has also moved on with a lovely boy. Coincidentally, both girls are expecting their first child. Ruth's due date is a little earlier.

I can't put into words how excited we are to be grandparents and ADORE both these children.

I've been supportive and as involved with both our daughters' pregnancies as they want.

However last week Ruth drops a bomb on us.

She said that if we ever see June again or her baby, she won't allow us in her child's life. This shattered me. It's kept me up every night.

The thought of either of my grandchildren being deprived of loving grandparents is agonizing.

I know Ruth was deeply hurt by June's actions, but I don't know if we should be punished just for not cutting our kid off. How can any parent even...

We begged her to reconsider and said our love for them both isn't conditional. We said we can't just stop loving one, but she's adamant.

I don't want to accept Ruth's terms, as it seems like no matter what we decide, we're going to lose a daughter and grandchild. So I'd rather it not happen...

But I also don't want Ruth to believe we'd just drop her in favor of June, because again, the thought crushes me.

WIBTA if I don't comply with Ruth's ultimatum?

ETA Thank you to everyone for commiserating with this situation.

I wish I could say it's helped me feel better, but right now it feels like nothing ever will.

One of my babies hates the other, it broke me but I accepted it.

Now I'm faced with losing one of them no matter what.

Entirely too many comments to respond to individually, so I just want to answer some of the most common questions here.

Why did Ruth and Adam split up?

Ruth left Adam because it just wasn't working.

He was immature and said and did things that irritated her, mostly lots of minor things adding up.

She said there was never any abuse nor cheating, but it was the right decision for herself.

He was a nice enough boy, but he definitely had some growing up to do at the time.

I did feel very badly for Ruth because she had invested a good few years into the relationship for someone so young, but agreed it was the right decision.

Did we ever support Ruth?

Ruth stayed with us for a few months when it first happened, not just because of this, there were other reasons.

We were there for her and comforted her the whole time.

Because she was so angry, we had asked June to not visit until she left.

We still talked to her and met a couple of times in public places.

We made it known that this hurt her sister and we were disappointed she didn't think of this.

June understood and agreed with us supporting Ruth.

She expressed sadness over losing her sister, but we clearly told her it was Ruth's decision to cut her off.

Whether one thinks June did nothing wrong or not, it's untrue to say there were never any consequences for this.

She's sad to this day that she's lost her sister and knows she has to accept and live with it.

Did June ever apologize to Ruth?

Both girls have confirmed that June reached out a few times over the years to apologize. No one put her up to it. Ruth didn't forgive her and she's well...

We understand no one can or should make her accept the apology.

Why don't we just cut off Adam?

He's June's husband and the father of our second grandchild. They're a package deal now.

Once we cut him off, we risk losing June and our grandchild anyway. That is the same as what I'm trying to prevent with Ruth.

Some comments say that in letting June stay in our lives after this, I already "chose" her and asked why I didn't cut her off from the start.

I'm baffled that anyone would suggest I could just disown a child so easily like she was never ours.

Not disowning June doesn't mean I chose to be her mother over Ruth's.

I NEVER abandoned Ruth and never will. Ruth has thanked us for our support in the past. She said she was fine with how we'd arranged things for the last...

As long as she never had to see June, she was happy seeing us and everything was normal between us. It's only now that she wants us to disown June.

Some say she should have cut us off years ago for still loving June. She's said many times her goal isn't to cut us off. She loves us and wants...

She says she can't stand June or her baby getting the same love and care from us because she thinks she doesn't deserve it.

I want to add that if Adam had ever abused or cheated on Ruth, we certainly would have gone NC or at least LC with them.

But that's not what happened and both girls used to repeatedly tell us that what happened between them had nothing to do with us.

So yes I did keep my relationship with both daughters.

I don't regret it because as heartbreaking as this is, willingly cutting off either of them, outside of the circumstances I mentioned, is unfathomable to me or their father.

Thank you again to everyone for their good wishes, and for suggesting family therapy.

I will try and bring it up with Ruth and my husband.

We suggested it when things initially happened but dropped it when she said no.

This one hurts on every level.

I feel for Ruth, because having your sister end up with your ex can feel like a huge betrayal, even when there was no cheating and the breakup was clean. That kind of wound hits pride, history and identity all at once.

I also feel for OP, who is stuck in the classic parental nightmare. No matter what she does, one daughter feels like the losing team. She already spent five years splitting holidays, visits and emotional energy like a custody schedule. Now, with grandchildren involved, the stakes feel brutal.

What stands out to me is this: Ruth is not just angry about the past. She is terrified that her child will grow up seeing the aunt who, in her mind, “stole” her life. June seems to accept the loss of her sister as the cost of her marriage. The parents are the only people still trying to hold a tiny bridge in the middle.

This situation is less “who is right” and more “how do you live with grief when your family story breaks in half”.

First, the big picture.

You have a classic sibling betrayal story, layered with romance, now layered again with babies. Sibling relationships often last longer than marriages. That is why betrayal inside them cuts so deep. Research on sibling relationships notes that betrayal by a sibling can harm someone mentally and emotionally for years.

Ruth’s pain makes sense through that lens. She did not just lose a boyfriend. She lost a vision of her place in the family. Her sister now lives a life that Ruth once imagined for herself. It feels like June took something that should have stayed “off limits”.

At the same time, family estrangement is not rare anymore. Psychology Today reports that as many as one in four people are estranged from at least one family member. That does not make this situation normal or easy, but it shows that cutoffs like Ruth’s ultimatum show up in many families when hurt piles up.

Therapists who work with estranged families often say that estrangement usually comes from a mix of betrayal, feeling unsupported and old patterns that never changed, not from one single event. Ruth might not only feel angry at June.

She might feel that her parents “minimised” the betrayal by keeping June and Adam fully involved, even though OP believes she supported Ruth strongly. Two realities can coexist.

From a parenting perspective, experts like Joshua Coleman, who writes about estranged adult children, often advise parents not to respond to ultimatums with counter-ultimatums. They suggest holding a clear line, validating the feelings, but keeping the door open and refusing to attack the child’s partner or sibling. That sounds very close to what OP is instinctively doing.

So what are the actual dynamics here?

Ruth feels:
Her sister chose her ex out of all the men in the world.
Her ex agreed and married into the family.
Her parents kept that couple in the fold.
Now there will be a cousin who exists because of that choice.

So Ruth’s ultimatum is almost like a last attempt to rewrite the story. If she cannot change the marriage, she can at least try to control who gets OP’s love.

The parents feel:
They already did what Ruth asked, which was to never force joint events.
They comforted her, housed her, set boundaries with June.
They cannot emotionally cut off another child who did not cheat or abuse anyone.

One therapist frame helps here. Some experts talk about “both-and” thinking in complex families. You can acknowledge that June and Adam created this conflict, that their choice hurt Ruth deeply, and that Ruth’s decision to go no contact with them is valid for her. At the same time, you can also hold that parents have their own boundaries. They have the right to maintain relationships with all their children, as long as they respect the no-contact rules between siblings.

Practical steps that fit both psychology and reality:

OP can validate the wound without accepting the ultimatum. For example:

“I know June’s choice shattered your trust. I agree that what she did hurt you. I will never invite her when you are here. I will never pressure you to forgive her. I also cannot pretend I do not have another daughter and grandchild.”

She can make the structure very clear. Different days. Different holidays. No surprise overlap. No “accidental” joint birthdays. Spell it out so Ruth’s fear of forced closeness calms a bit.

OP can also keep inviting Ruth to therapy, but not as a condition. More like, “I will go with you if you ever want support. I will also go alone to learn how to love you both better.” That last piece matters, because parental guilt runs wild in estrangement. Learning some skills can keep OP from repeating patterns that feel like minimising.

Emotionally, I think OP needs to prepare for grief anyway. Even if she refuses the ultimatum lovingly, Ruth might still cut contact. With estrangement, experts often say that parents should keep reasonable contact open, like birthday cards, small updates, and never retaliatory messages. That way, if the door opens years later, there is still a path.

None of this feels fair. The two people who actually created the situation, June and Adam, built a life together and are about to have a baby with full parental support.

Ruth lost her sister, her old story and now possibly her parents. The parents risk losing their relationship with the child they did not betray. That is why this hurts so much. There is no solution that does not leave a scar.

Check out how the community responded:

Team “Parents are NTA, Ruth is using the baby as leverage.”

jenkinsburns - NTA. She's just making a final bid for control and using the baby as leverage. What happened to Ruth sucks, but she shouldn't be trying to take out...

Tell her that you don't like the ultimatum and leave the door open should she change her mind.

Jorbarip - NTA. Tell Ruth that you will never turn your back on any of your children and that she is making the choice to not be a part of...

Let her know that your door is always open, and as much as it hurts, continue to send cards, Christmas and birthday presents to your grandchild.

She will most likely come around, but even if she doesn’t, you will know that you kept the lines of communication open while respecting her boundaries.

bmoreCurious85 - NTA. So Ruth dated someone from 21 to 24, and June dated the same guy about 3 years later when Ruth was 27.

Is it awkward, yes? The best idea? No. But they managed to love each other enough to have a kid and get married.

Ruth can make the choice she wants, but she’s cutting herself off from the family, not you for wanting a relationship with your daughters.

Was Ruth’s breakup over some big drama? Or just realized they weren’t a match?

Overall_Operation908 - NTA. Ruth is being impossible. She is free to not talk to her sister ever again, but she cannot dictate your relationship with other people.

Also, while I understand she feels betrayed, June is right. It has been years and there was no betrayal during their relationship. I think Ruth needs to grow up.

[Reddit User] - NTA. If Ruth wants nothing to do with June and her family for the rest of her life, fine. You’ve honored that.

But what does she think she’s accomplishing with this ultimatum, other than giving her husband cause to worry why she’s chosen to marry and have a family with him when...

If she can’t produce some actual reasons to kick Adam and June out of your life that wouldn’t make it more imperative for you to keep an eye on their...

this is not a demand you should take seriously beyond urging her to seek therapy.

Team “Everyone is hurt, Ruth is not a villain, June’s choice is the root.”

mfruitfly - So you aren't an AH, but after reading all these comments, I don't think Ruth is either.

Everyone has a different take on exes, but I can't imagine ever dating an ex of my sister, and I mean any ex at all, no matter how long ago...

June and Adam actively sought out a relationship, both knowing the history with Ruth. That's weird. It’s not that hard to not fall in love with your sister's ex, or...

I have a feeling there are more dynamics at play if both of them allowed this relationship in the first place.

For example, I don't know a decent man who would feel comfortable being the reason an entire family was fractured.

You did a good job of keeping them separate, but the reality is Ruth feels that June committed a huge betrayal, and you agree with that, and has suffered zero...

She got the guy, now the kid, and you all are just as active and accommodating in her life as you were before.

Now that Ruth is having a child, she probably is looking at the lens of having this estranged sister and always keeping things separate.

June is also having a child, which feels very final.

This man and her sister will always be together, meaning she will always have to deal with this betrayal and there is no way back.

I'm not saying that to say you should cut June off, because I don't think you should.

I just appreciate the deep pain Ruth has been through, and by just putting up a divider between the two of them and hoping time would fix things, Ruth just...

I honestly don't think you have a way forward with both families.

ResoluteMuse - I would be interested to read Ruth’s side here.

Either she is over the top outrageous, or this is yet another golden child versus scapegoat child and this is the last straw.

June sucks the most in all of this.

Team “Parents already chose June, Ruth’s ultimatum protects her kid.”

Ifeelsonotfantastic - Of all the people she could choose, June chose her sister’s ex.

People are calling Ruth childish but June is the childish one.

There’s almost 8 billion people and she had to choose her sister’s ex.

I want to say you’re NTA for wanting a relationship with both your children, but at the same time I know where Ruth is coming from.

You’re accepting a daughter and a man who did her wrong.

NJtoOx - Going against the grain here to say YTA. You made your choice, years ago, when you decided to maintain a relationship with June and her sister’s ex boyfriend.

There have been many posts about people dating their siblings’ ex and everyone always comes down hard on the one who dates the ex, because it is wrong.

But now because there are kids involved Ruth is meant to get over it?

She’s a saint for not issuing this ultimatum years ago.

Now that she’s having her own child she’s decided to prioritise her own peace by ensuring that she doesn’t have to interact with June or her ex ever again.

Let’s think about how this relationship would look.

Are you 100 percent certain you would never try to get your grandkids in the same place, at the same event?

And then, assuming you do separate events, how will you decide which grandchild to see for holidays and birthdays?

Ruth has thought this through. She knows that eventually you’ll have to choose between the grandkids and she is protecting her child by making sure they don’t feel the r__ection...

One of your children did an awful thing. Honestly you should choose the child who didn’t do something awful.

I have two sisters and the idea of either of them dating my ex, or me ever dating one of their exes, makes me so angry.

Pure_Development_889 - June really messed everything over, didn’t she. I mean it’s a known rule. Don’t get involved with your sibling’s ex, how hard can that be.

This family does not have a clean option.

If the parents cut off June, they lose a daughter who did a hurtful but non-abusive thing, and a grandchild who did nothing wrong.

If they refuse Ruth’s ultimatum, they may lose the daughter who feels like the wounded party and her child, and they will live with the fear that they “chose wrong” forever.

In reality, the original tear started when June and Adam crossed a line most people consider sacred. Everything since then has been damage control.

I think the healthiest path sits in the middle. The parents hold the line that they love both children, respect Ruth’s no contact, and will never push for joint events. They also refuse to weaponise grandchildren or cut off a child on command. Then they grieve whatever contact Ruth decides to remove and keep that door gently open, year after year.

What would you do in OP’s place? Protect your bond with the hurt child at any cost, or refuse to disown anyone and accept the fallout? And if you were Ruth, could you ever coexist in the same family tree as a sister married to your ex?

Charles Butler

Charles Butler

Hey there, fellow spotlight seekers! As the PIC of our social issues beat—and a guy who's dived headfirst into journalism and media studies—I'm obsessed with unpacking how we chase thrills, swap stories, and tangle with the big, messy debates of inequality, justice, and resilience, whether on screens or over drinks in a dive bar. Life's an endless, twisty reel, so I love spotlighting its rawest edges in words. Growing up on early internet forums and endless news scrolls, I'm forever blending my inner fact-hoarder with the restless wanderer itching to uncover every hidden corner of the world.

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