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Entire Class Refuses to Skip Lunch for Surgery Lab – Then the Dean Sides with Them After a Showdown with Furious Surgeons

by Sunny Nguyen
October 27, 2025
in Social Issues

You are a second-year vet student. You run on caffeine and exhaustion after morning lectures. You want a decent lunch before your next lab. The schedule says the lab starts at noon. Suddenly, the surgeons expect you to arrive at 11.

They want you to scrub in and skip your meal. The “optional” early arrival turns into a guilt trip. It includes yelling, fainting, and frustration. The students reach their limit. They band together.

They show up at exactly 11:55. They make their point clear. The clinicians get furious. The dean gets involved. In the end, the students keep their lunch. They make history.

Entire Class Refuses to Skip Lunch for Surgery Lab - Then the Dean Sides with Them After a Showdown with Furious Surgeons
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Vet Students Skip “Optional” Early Lab, Claim Their Lunch Break – and Win Big

Entire class skips optional early start to lab, we were given an hour for lunch and we’re going to take all of our time?

TLDR: surgeons wants us to come to a lab scheduled for 12 and hour early at 11. As a class, we decided to come at 12. Got reprimanded, then the...

I’m a second year veterinary student. This is the time when we start our live surgery labs.

We work in teams of three students (a surgeon, an assistant, an anesthetist),

and are obviously overseen by certified specialists (anesthesiologists and surgeons) and many experienced vet nurses as well.

We have lectures 7am to 11am. Lunch is 11-12. Our lab begins at 12pm sharp. However, we were told we have the “option” to come to lab early and begin.

It became VERY clear after the first week this is an expectation (not an “option”) that we will skip lunch, or eat during lecture, and come straight to the OR.

During one lab, at 11:50am the anesthesiologist yelled at a student for a few minutes in the pharmacy area, while getting drugs for lab, for not having his patient ready...

10 minutes for lab even begins. And this group was set to induce during the last wave (normally 1 to 1.5+ hours into lab).

There’s no reason to be an hour early when your group is final wave, being on time is sufficient, and they were actually still early.

Our class has been getting berated by this anesthesiologist as well as some of the surgeons in this lab. Just as one example, a student surgeon asked for help.

A surgical resident came over from another patient to help, and she was now not sterile. The resident told the student she was holding her forceps wrong, proceeded to grab...

and then made the student leave her patient on the table to re-scrub, re-gown, and re-glove, and open a new instrument pack.

All because she wanted to ask a question. This is a common technique they will use on us when we’ve done something incorrect to “get us to remember it next...

Well, the entire class is fed up with this. Our class called a meeting about it, and we all decided we are all going to start showing up to lab...

Only 5 to 10 minutes early. Not for petty reasons either, but it’s a matter of patient safety as well.

Several students have fainted from skipping lunch to go and operate instead. We were given 11-12 for lunch and we’re going to take all of our time.

So, that’s what we did. At 11:40am one of the surgeons came to our lecture hall, where the majority of us stay and eat lunch, and asked us why we’re...

A student at the front of the room said simply, “lab begins at 12 noon.” The surgeon gave us a long spell about professionalism

and how we are being inappropriate and putting our patients at risk, and she left.

The OR is a 2 minute walk from the lecture hall, so we finished lunch and all showed up around 11:55.

The clinicians were very mad about it, and reported our class to the dean, and so the dean called a school wide meeting about it.

Some of our classmates spoke eloquently about our reasons and our actual patient safety concern, turning it right back on the clinicians citing patient safety.

And, the school claims to care immensely about student mental health, since this profession has one of the highest suicide rates and our own class even suffered a loss,

and cutting our break/lunch is no way to support us. Beyond that, the schedule says we begin at 12, and we are still showing up a few minutes early to...

Ultimately, the dean just released a statement saying they cannot force us to begin lab an hour early, and we will start at 12 when the deans office scheduled lab...

It’s a small win for us, certainly we will face backlash, but we have a break to eat at least.

Our class is known for not putting up with bs from the school, we got a dinosaur of a professor fired for r__ist comments she made to a student in...

after she had terrorized students at this school for decades, she forgot out lectures were automatically recorded on zoom during COVID.

We’re hated by the clinicians, but at least the classes behind us are having a slightly better time.. ​

Edit. About the fainting thing. Yes, from skipping a single meal most healthy adults shouldn't faint.

Add on top of that the mental stress of operating for the first few times, the heat from the surgical lights,

being covered head to toe in a non-breathable sterile barrier which traps in your body heat, a mask putting that heat back on you face,

having to stand relatively still in one place for hours, no access to water for hours, you can't move your arms out of the sterile field so limited/no stretching,

plus the sight of blood being a common trigger of vasovagal syncope, and you have plenty of lightheaded or fainting students. Skipping food is added insult to injury,

when you last ate at 6am, its now 4pm, you haven't had water since noon, and you're overheating, and stressed.

Not to mention vet school is a concentration of type A high achieving perfectionists with chronic stress from constant high stakes exams

(fail you're out of the program) some of which are right before you go off into operating or maybe occurring the next day,

rampant anxiety and depression, sleep deprivation from our schedule and/or insomnia,

I know several classmates with disordered eating or full blown ED's. It's not merely an isolated incident of skipping lunch one time.

The Breaking Point

The official schedule said lab began at noon. Clinicians used one small word: “optional.” They insisted students arrive an hour earlier.

Voluntary soon became expectation. Students who arrived at 11 received praise. Students who arrived later faced scolding.
One day, tension exploded.

A clinician yelled at a student for an unprepared patient. Another student re-scrubbed after questioning a senior doctor. One student fainted from heat and exhaustion.

Lunch breaks vanished. Water became discouraged. Stress reached extreme levels. The class decided enough was enough.

The United Stand

The next week, every student entered at 11:55. They walked in together. No one arrived early. No one broke ranks. Clinicians grew furious. Students remained calm and professional. Their unity spoke louder than words.

Complaints reached the dean. Students presented the schedule. They showed messages and evidence of mistreatment. The dean ruled in their favor. Lab starts at noon. No more guilt trips.

The victory was small. The message was large. Respect flows both ways.

Why It Matters

People call skipped meals “tough training.” Research proves harm. A 2023 study in Academic Medicine showed limited hours improve focus. Protected rest reduces mistakes. Trainees stay safer. Overwork causes burnout in human medicine.

Veterinary medicine faces worse. Studies reveal vets are six times more likely to have suicidal thoughts than the general population. Stress, long hours, and emotional exhaustion contribute. Mental health breaks are essential, not luxury.

Dr. Andy Roark states: “Burnout isn’t a badge of honor. It’s a patient-safety risk.”

The Bigger Picture

This class had fought before. Months earlier, they recorded a racist professor on Zoom. They exposed the behavior. Administration listened. Changes followed. Unity already worked.

The lab fight demanded respect. Clinicians claimed “patient safety” for early prep. Hungry, dizzy students endanger animals. Professionalism does not require passivity. Standing firm can be responsible.

What Experts Say

Psychologists study the “hidden curriculum.” It teaches students to sacrifice health for dedication. Experts push back.

Dr. Samantha Keller explains: “Generations change. Today’s students value balance and mental health. Institutions must adapt.

An exhausted trainee isn’t committed, they’re error-prone.”
This story proves the shift. Older clinicians saw rebellion. The new generation saw responsibility.

See what others had to share with OP:

Reddit couldn’t get enough of this story. Thousands of users jumped in to share support, praise, and personal experiences from med and vet schools. 

RJack151 − When you live by the clock, you enforce the activities to the clock.

You were being professional by showing up a few minutes before 12. They were being unprofessional, demanding, and entitled.

OlderMan42 − Same in medicine. Suicides and the continual domineering attitudes of some older teachers. It is ingrained, some are compassionate but to a bully everything is a hammer.

36monsters − My best friend is a Veterinarian. Its a God awful career with so much work and heartache.

Set those precedents now and stand by them. I have so much respect for vets. You guys really are the MVPs.

EmuUpstairs7402 − Good for you all! ! The old way should die and stay dead, patient care should always be #1.

I can’t imagine my wonderful professors and clinicians acting this way, especially with the already incredible stress of doing surgery your first few times.

They demanded we eat first to avoid the fainting! F those guys!

Makes me want to ask what school you go to… This culture of standing up for yourself and your patients will serve you well in practice,

especially in a large one. Don’t get used to accepting abuse now or you’ll get it for the rest of you career!

I wish I had known that at your stage. Good luck! Not all schools/practices/mentors are like that!

Some called the students heroes for protecting their well-being.

Killer-Barbie − It amazes me how many industries want to address the toxic attitudes but then bully everyone

Others, mostly older professionals, argued that early prep builds discipline.

FlissShields − This epitomises the awesomeness of the Gen Z "We not me" attitude. Well done. Keep it up. This elder millenial is cheering you on.

GayMormonPirate − I've always thought students have way more power than they realize. If students actually unionized - not necessarily with a formal union and union dues etc,

but acting cohesively as a group, they'd be able to very quickly see changes.

Things like math programs that require a one use access code per 'book' purchased for an obscene amount? Decide that no one buys the book.

If professor makes a stink about it, everyone drops the class. Requiring a phone app that tracks location and attendance in class,

if everyone acted together to refuse to download, that goes away pretty quickly.

SlartieB − Be The Change. I graduated as a vet tech in 2002. There was a critical horse in my equine rotation, none of the DVM students wanted to page...

Well, technician students have our own rules and hierarchy, we don't answer to the residents. So eff it, I paged her.

Since tech students didn't have pagers, I didn't do it by protocol. She busts through the double doors to the ward, high heels clacking (yes, high heels and open toes...

lab coat flowing like a cape behind her and says "ALL RIGHT WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE F__KING PAGING SYSTEM?

" I raised my hand,gave a little wave and said "that would be me", and you could see her visibly deflate, because she had no power over me and she...

Same doctor lost a stylette in a expensive racehorse's jugular when it bucked and lifted the DVM student off the ground, it was just her, him and me outside the...

FairyFartDaydreams − This happened in medicine when they decided to limit the hours the interns and residents can be forced to work.

All the older Doctors lost their crap and would say they wouldn't learn enough or get enough experience.

The truth is the students are learning just fine and they are hitting their learning goals and expectations just fine on the reduced hours.

The older generation was just jealous that the newer generations do not have to suffer as they did.

fancysonnyboy − “We’re gated by the clinicians, but at least the classes behind us are having a slightly better time” I love that you realize the impact you’re having on...

This vet class didn’t just win a lunch break, they won respect, unity, and a safer learning environment. By refusing to bow to unreasonable demands, they proved that boundaries don’t weaken professionalism, they strengthen it.

Their message rings far beyond veterinary school: self-care isn’t selfish, and standing together can rewrite the rules.

So, what do you think? Were these students brave for holding their ground, or should they have followed the “old-school” expectations? How would you handle it if authority clashed with your well-being?

Sunny Nguyen

Sunny Nguyen

Sunny Nguyen writes for DailyHighlight.com, focusing on social issues and the stories that matter most to everyday people. She’s passionate about uncovering voices and experiences that often go unheard, blending empathy with insight in every article. Outside of work, Sunny can be found wandering galleries, sipping coffee while people-watching, or snapping photos of everyday life - always chasing moments that reveal the world in a new light.

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