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Manager Insists on Knowing Why She Needs PTO – Her Brutally Honest Reply Ends the Policy Overnight

by Charles Butler
November 5, 2025
in Social Issues

We’ve all had that manager who acts like taking a day off is a federal crime. But what happens when a company demands to know exactly why you’re using your paid time off and won’t approve it until you spill your most private pain?

That’s exactly what happened to one Reddit user, let’s call her the Detail Diva, who just turned workplace cruelty into poetic justice.

Her story is a stunning case of malicious compliance that left her two bosses humiliated, HR scrambling, and the rest of the office cheering.

Manager Insists on Knowing Why She Needs PTO - Her Brutally Honest Reply Ends the Policy Overnight
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This cubicle coup is spicier than stolen staplers – Here’s the original post:

I must provide detailed information about my doctor's appointment to get approved for paid time off? Are you absolutely sure? Well, if you say so?

A few years ago, I worked in an office with some pretty strange and crappy rules.

One such rule was that while we could apply personal PTO (paid time off) for any reason, management needed a detailed summary of the reason before they would approve.

This resulted in several instances of coworkers applying for PTO for things like funerals and birthdays

and being told "the current project deadline is more important than your neices birthday" or "do you really need to attend your mother's cousin's funeral?

That doesn't sound pressing." It was a really toxic system that resulted in some turnover from coworkers who were sick of being held hostage over PTO.

Furthermore, both the department manager and the HR manager needed to sign off on the PTO request,

which resulted in some frustrating situations where one approved, but the other did not.

It did not help that the HR manager was a d__k. Pretty much the only time you could expect to be approved was for court dates and important medical appointments.

But you still needed to provide details, even if it happened to be a very personal medical or legal situation.

(This does not strike me as legal but, sadly, this isn't the first time I've run into this working in Texas.)

One more bit of context-- my department manager was also a jerk. Without going into too much detail, he was a power tripping sloth who liked to harass women (like...

Let's call him Jerk, and the HR manager D__k. We all hated both of them. On to the MC.

I had an important appointment with my psychiatrist coming up. My meds for anxiety and PTSD were not cutting the mustard anymore and I was in a bad place mentally.

I needed a med adjustment, so I took the soonest appointment available. Work would have to cope with a couple of hours without me.

I submitted my PTO request to Jerk and D__k for approval. Given the intensely personal nature the appointment, I left the details sparse. It was rejected.

Both Jerk and D__k said in an email that I needed to give details about my appointment "in accordance with company policy."

Jerk had the nerve to call me into his office and chide me over my "unacceptably terse" PTO request.

"You know the rules, why would you waste my time with such a brief request, you know I can't approve this," etc.

I was pissed. But as I stewed in my cubicle, it dawned on me that I could get back at Jerk and D__k merely by complying with their own rules....

I sent an email to D__k and cc'ed Jerk (always CYA folks.) I said are you SURE you need the details of my appointment? Are you POSITIVE? It's really personal.

Both D__k and Jerk said yes, we need the details of your PTO circumstances, you know the rules. I replied that it's very private, are you SURE I need to...

We sent some emails back and forth until I was sure I had a solid paper trail.

Then I decided, welp, if they really need my personal medical details, which I still think is illegal, but whatever, then I suppose I better give it to them!

I submitted a new PTO request with all the relevant information. That I was going to see my psychiatrist for an urgent appointment.

I needed to be seen at the earliest possible time because I was having thoughts of hurting myself, because I have PTSD from being raped in foster care.

I threw in some details about what my foster father did to me, how I went numb and used drugs to cope, how I was hospitalized as a teenager for...

I also screenshotted and emailed my request to a few of the higher ups, saying my previous request was insufficient so I wanted to make sure I got it right...

There were no snippy emails this time. Only "approved" appearing in green text to my request in the system maybe four minutes after I submitted it.

I blissfully went about my day, happy to have my PTO. Curiously, neither Jerk nor D__k emerged from their offices.. The fallout:

When I showed up for work at 8 the following day, I was immediately called into the VP's office. One of the higher managers and a woman that I recognized...

VP politely asked me to sit and kindly explain the "g__tesque" email I had sent out yesterday. (He was a polite but rather out of touch older gentleman.)

So I made myself clear, I needed PTO for a very personal doctors appointment, and my previous request was denied by both Jerk

and D__k for being too brief, and Jerk even called me in his office to complain about my wasting his time.

I didn't want to be rejected again so I made sure my request was as detailed as possible.

I also passed it on to management to verify that the level of detail was up to snuff when it came to corporate guidelines.

And yes, I do have PTSD, it's all true, and they can reference my ADA paperwork in HR for more information.

VP asked me a couple more brief questions. He then apologized for the hassle, said I was being credited some extra PTO for my trouble,

and that the company would be "reviewing its approach" to the PTO approval process. I was then dismissed back to my desk.

I received written apologies from Jerk and D__k that very morning, hand delivered by a tense and rather petrified Jerk. I think legal put him up to it.

Both Jerk and D__k went out of their way to avoid me for the remainder of my time at the company, which was a blessing.

The few times we were forced to interact, they spoke very quickly and looked desperate to end the conversation.

I guess my PTO request was a little too intense for them. Whatever the case, it was the end of Jerks little power trips, at least with me personally.

Also that same morning, we received a company wide email marked as important. There was a change in the PTO policy.

Requests with regards to medical and other "sensitive" reasons no longer required detailed explanations, effective immediately.

Bonus: one of my friends in HR, well not really a friend, but a woman who liked to discuss crocheting with me at the water cooler, showed me an internal...

every PTO request from me personally was to be approved immediately and without question. I tested this later that summer by requesting a day off to watch Netflix.

That's specifically what I put in the request field. (I planned on quitting soon so I was in a flippant mood.) It was approved immediately.

I think they had me flagged in their system. Truth be told I could have probably taken a whole month off and gotten paid for it, but I didn't push...

I left the company for a much more tolerable, less toxic, higher paying job about six months later.

And yes, my appointment went well and I'm doing better now. I started attending a trauma support group, met my SO, and I've even been able to reduce the dose...

When PTO Becomes an Interrogation

Diva worked at a Texas company that treated PTO like a privilege, not a right. Every request had to go through two approval gates: her direct supervisor (let’s call him Jerk) and an HR manager (who we’ll dub D__k).

These two had built reputations for being petty tyrants—rejecting requests for birthdays, funerals, and even doctor visits because “deadlines come first.”

So when Diva put in for a half day off to see her psychiatrist about adjusting her anxiety and PTSD medication, she kept it simple: “Medical appointment – half day PTO.”

Denied.

Apparently, it wasn’t “detailed enough.” Jerk called her in, scolding her for “vagueness.” D__k backed him up over email, demanding she provide “specifics” about the appointment or risk rejection.

That’s when the lightbulb went off. If they wanted details, she’d give them details.

The Overshare Heard ‘Round the Office

Knowing full well how absurd their demand was, Diva typed a new email—CC’ing both bosses, HR, and a few executives “for transparency.”

She calmly explained that the appointment was for urgent psychiatric intervention following suicidal thoughts, rooted in PTSD from being raped in foster care, which had led to teenage drug abuse and a hospitalization after a suicide attempt.

Her closing line? “I hope this level of detail is sufficient for PTO approval.”

Four minutes later, her request was approved.

By the next morning, upper management was in full panic mode. The VP of Operations personally called to apologize.

A new policy was drafted that day: medical details were now strictly optional, and no manager could request them. Diva even received a small PTO bonus “for the inconvenience.”

As for Jerk and D__k? Suddenly, their emails went silent. They avoided her in the halls. Her next time-off request – labeled simply “Netflix and self-care” – was approved within seconds.

The Bigger Problem: When Privacy Isn’t Private

What makes this story so satisfying – and sad- is how common it is. Many workers are forced to overexplain their personal lives just to use the time they’ve earned.

According to a 2023 SHRM survey, 52% of employees said they’d been pressured to share private medical or family details when requesting PTO. Even worse, turnover jumped 30% in workplaces where such invasive questions were routine.

Diva’s bosses weren’t just nosy, they were risking a legal mess. Medical details are protected under HIPAA and ADA laws, and companies can’t demand to know diagnoses or trauma histories to approve standard time off.

But toxic power dynamics thrive in ambiguity. The less personal you were, the more they punished you. They mistook privacy for defiance.

Until their own system humiliated them.

When Malicious Compliance Becomes a Wake-Up Call

What Diva did was both clever and courageous. By following the rule exactly as written, she forced management to confront how invasive and unethical it was.

It’s the perfect example of what HR expert Suzanne Lucas (a.k.a. The Evil HR Lady) once said in a CBS News interview:

“Demanding medical minutiae violates trust – and often the law. Managers should approve time off or audit patterns, not probe pain.”

That’s exactly what happened here. Diva’s “overshare” exposed the cruelty of a policy that treated employees like liars until proven sick. Her painful honesty embarrassed them into reform.

And best of all? She later found a new job where PTO didn’t require trauma as proof.

The Office Reaction: Silence, Sympathy, and Shock

When the email circulated, the atmosphere changed overnight. Some coworkers privately thanked her, admitting they’d been denied time off for medical appointments, childcare, or grief. Others were speechless at the bosses’ audacity.

Management, terrified of legal blowback, launched mandatory “privacy and empathy” training. Jerk and D__k were suddenly on their best behavior, sending cheerful “take care of yourself” replies to every request that crossed their desks.

Irony never looked so good.

Lessons for Every Workplace

This story might sound extreme, but it highlights an issue far beyond one toxic team: the human cost of mistrusting your employees.

Companies love to talk about “wellness” and “balance,” but when approval systems require emotional strip searches, they do the opposite. They punish honesty and reward silence.

Diva’s case shows what happens when a company confuses control with productivity. Her bosses thought they were maintaining order; instead, they sparked outrage, embarrassed themselves, and forced a policy overhaul.

Sometimes, the only way to change a broken system is to hold up a mirror, no matter how uncomfortable the reflection.

Here’s the feedback from the Reddit community:

As usual, Reddit’s comment section exploded with applause.

[Reddit User] − Serves them right, and I think that really is illegal. Good for you!

Ibenthinkin2much − I got such a chuckle out of this! Back when I worked in a kitchen I walked in one day to a crowd gathered.

A gal gleefully asked when I'd lost my virginity. I said it was awhile ago. (Gal) No! No! Tell us how OLD you were! (Me) You don't need to know....

(Me) Well, I was raped when I was 14. Crowd dispersed immediately.

evielynn − I hate this. I literally have to stop my employees from giving me details because (provided there isn’t rampant absenteeism) idgaf.

It’s not my business. I trust they have determined with care they need the day off. You’re out of the office today. Cool. Thanks for telling me. You’ll be back...

I don’t need to know how the flu is treating you or that you’re desperately trying to get into the dr’s for a note.

Nor am I telling you right now you have to go to your dr for a note. Just go take a nap. Stay hydrated. Get off the phone. See you...

Edit: I hate that employees have been conditioned to expect the 5th degree for wanting to take time off.

Others praised her restraint, pointing out that she didn’t break any rules, didn’t insult anyone, and simply told the truth in the most uncomfortable way possible.

MightyMitochondrion − I'm thrilled your in a better place and genuinely impressed that you found the strength to go through with the MC.

It's hard enough talking about these types of things with people in your support network.

It must have been incredibly hard to open up about your experiences to people at work just to get PTO. You are clearly a boss.

AllRedditIDsAreUsed − Hurray for bringing them down. Did D__k and Jerk ease up on the funeral/birthday PTO nitpicking also?

BeBa420 − That is fucked up i dunno about texas but down here in australia that is super f__king illegal ​

I once had a job where they asked me if id ever been found guilty of a crime (standard part of the interview).

I answered the HR rep honestly and told him that yes, in my younger days i was found guilty of trafficking marijuana.

Was let off with several months of d__g counselling. ​ I told the HR rep that i used to have a severe problem with marijuana

due to childhood trauma and that i was currently seeing an excellent therapist who helped me through it. As soon as i mentioned childhood trauma i could see him get...

As soon as i mentioned my therapist he stopped me immediately and said " all that is very personal information,

we do not have a right to ask you about such things and you have no obligation to disclose it, please stop".

I tried to explain him that i was happily volunteering the info but he wouldnt have it, so i just let it go.

Still got the job

Awesomesaws9 − Had something similar happen to me, but much less extreme. I had to deal with a health issue several that was quite...gross.

Basically I had a giant roundworm infection that went unnoticed for about 5 months. It got really bad and I ended up with an intestinal blockage.

Id been in China, so when I started pooping worms, I figured I had some kinda parasite. I asked my manager for a shift change so I could go to...

My manager is super squeamish, so I was trying to be vague about why I was going to the doctor and just said it was ‘intestinal issues’

She told me that didn’t warrant going to the doctor and pressed for info.

I then said that I was concerned about an intestinal parasite infection, and she responded that I was “Maybe just trying to get time off.”

So I showed her pictures. Of the worm poop. And the worm I had in a Tupperware of contact solution. She let me go to the doctor.

I definitely overreacted, but it really pissed me off since I never asked for schedule changes or time off.

I’m so glad I don’t work there anymore. This was also in the great lone star state of Texas by the way.

A few debated whether she went too far by sharing trauma publicly, but most agreed the blame belonged to the bosses who demanded those details in the first place.

spanishpeanut − Oh that’s 100% illegal, and I’m sure that they heard about it from Legal once you sent them everything. I’m sure your longer, detailed,

explanation helped to make them uncomfortable, but they violated federal privacy law and were in DEEP trouble

if you even breathed a word to anyone outside of the company. The level of HIPAA breach there is just gloriously beautiful.

I mean, hell, even doctors can’t write your diagnosis on a work form. “SpanishPeanut was seen my me on this date. She is excused from work until Friday for medical...

ferrettrack − I worked at a company like this for years. When I wanted time off I took it.

When the boss came to challange me about the PTO, I simply gave a cold smile, looked him or her in the eye and said "do what you need to...

and looked away (as if to dismiss the boss from my presence) and started working on the computer. I NEVER was short paid in over 20 years there.

Spookyredd − You could have had a s__t ton of time off with a nice little lawsuit .

In the end, the Detail Diva didn’t just win her PTO – she changed her company for everyone else who came after her.

Her story is a reminder that boundaries matter, empathy isn’t optional, and sometimes, the best revenge is brutal honesty delivered with perfect professionalism.

When leaders turn “paid time off” into “prove your trauma,” they stop being managers and start being monsters.

And as this Texas office learned the hard way, you can’t demand someone’s pain and then act surprised when they hand it to you.

Charles Butler

Charles Butler

Hey there, fellow spotlight seekers! As the PIC of our social issues beat—and a guy who's dived headfirst into journalism and media studies—I'm obsessed with unpacking how we chase thrills, swap stories, and tangle with the big, messy debates of inequality, justice, and resilience, whether on screens or over drinks in a dive bar. Life's an endless, twisty reel, so I love spotlighting its rawest edges in words. Growing up on early internet forums and endless news scrolls, I'm forever blending my inner fact-hoarder with the restless wanderer itching to uncover every hidden corner of the world.

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