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MBA Saves $700 a Night, Burns Nearly $1 Million by Ignoring Everyone Who Actually Knows the Job

by Charles Butler
December 13, 2025
in Social Issues

After nearly three decades in railroad operations, this manager thought he had seen every flavor of bad decision making. Tight budgets. Unrealistic timelines.

Office executives trying to optimize work they had never actually watched happen. Still, even with 27 years of hard-earned experience, nothing quite prepared him for the week an MBA decided to “fix” night work with a spreadsheet.

The logic sounded clean on paper. Stop paying a handful of workers for unavoidable downtime. Standardize shift changes. Reduce overtime. I

n reality, the railroad is a web of crafts, unions, safety rules, and dependencies that do not bend for metrics. When one person ignores that reality, the cost is not theoretical. It is measured in hours, crews, and dollars.

MBA Saves $700 a Night, Burns Nearly $1 Million by Ignoring Everyone Who Actually Knows the Job
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Here’s The Original Post:

'Don't want to pay 4 guys to not work for 6 hours? OK, you can pay 30 guys to not work for 6 hours?'

To make an already long story as short as possible, some background. I am a manager for a North American railroad, and a lot of our work involves different crafts...

Different crafts have different unions and different work rules. The managers of the other crafts

and I work together well to get done what we need to get done, especially when some of the work needs to get done at night.

The track guys can have a crew assigned to nights, while the signal guys can't.

Even better, the signal guys who work overnight have to be let go after 12 hours, and if it's now their regular shift because they came in last night, they...

Track guys have all three shifts, but we only have a day shift and an evening shift, but no night shift, because the big hats don't want to hire enough...

Now, the company has decided that paying guys to go home 2 hours early on a Thursday, come in and work overtime all night at 10pm, and go home at...

getting another 4 hours pay to go home and sleep is the ending of all that is good and pure in the universe, and will eventually lead to the collapse...

So they decide that the second shift guys have to stay 4 extra hours, and the first shift guys have to come in 4 hours early.. I point out that:

1) I can't force employees to work overtime unless it's an emergency, and the union isn't likely to agree that "we want to do this at night so we don't...

2) Not all employees are qualified on the same things.

3) Since they took half of my trucks away 5 years ago (because savings!!) I don't have enough vehicles for

an entire second crew to show up at 2am and relieve the guys working in the field so they can go home.

The guys currently working will have to stop work, pack up the tools, drive back to the office, let the (smaller) relief crew load up,

drive back out to the work site, do the starting paperwork and briefings, and begin the work.. And most importantly:

4) That while we aren't there, the track guys can't work, because we have to keep taking things off of the rail so the track guys can do their work,

and then put them back when the guys are done so we can run the trains in the morning.

All of it falls on deaf ears, because the freckle-faced college kid (who opens every conversation with "I have an MBA, dammit")

who has somehow gotten to a position where he's in charge of the estimates wants to complain about those 24 hours a night.

So, after having gone on the meeting record for all of it, I get out of the kids way.

I decide that if my boss isn't going to have my back, I'm not going to stop this inevitable disaster.

After all, I have only been doing this for 27 years, but he graduated with a 3.6 GPA from UTEP, so he must know better.

So, the first night, the job grinds to a halt like clockwork at 1am, the second crew shows up at about 4:15, and they get to work.

The track folks pack it in, because by the time anything gets dismantled, there won't be enough time to get anything done and put it all back together to start...

Second night, the shift change was a little smoother, so they got out there at 3:45. Managed to get a little work done before packing up.

Third and fourth night it rained REALLY hard, so the drive back to the shop and out to the jobsite took extra time. No work done after the new crew...

Bright and early Monday morning we show up at our morning meeting to find that the track guys got about 30% of the work done that they'd planned for the...

and at this pace would finish a 6-week job more than 15 weeks behind, and over budget by more than 300%

Mr. MBA proceeds to launch into his carefully-rehearsed speech about Key Metrics, Percent Spent vs Percent Complete, and all sorts of other nonsense.

Then he decides to start in on me. Since I obviously conspired and colluded with my employees to "egregiously erode progress" for an entire week.

I held up the meeting minutes from the previous week, told him in no uncertain terms that he had asked, in fact demanded that we have a full shift change...

I looked across the table at him, and asked him if he wanted to revise that position.

Completely unwilling to let this lowly engineer tell him what to do, he said no, and I was supposed to somehow magically make the shift change FASTER.

Next 3 weeks were the same story. They've now been out there for a month, and have managed to accomplish just shy of a week and a half of work.

Mr. MBA shows up on the site one night, just in time to watch my night guys walk off, watch the track guys shut down the machines and gather outside...

and generally carouse, because they know they now have 3 hours to s__ew off, and be paid for it. My guys had called me when Mr.

MBA showed up, so I get out of bed and get to the jobsite just in time to see this guy in his shiny fresh-from-the-package safety gear

screaming at the top of his lungs to the guys to get back in their equipment and "get the back to work!"

They all refuse because they all know that they can't work without us there.

Not that they care all that much about our equipment, but because they know Mr. MBA has been throwing a little too much weight around,

and nothing makes union employees stick together better or faster than putting the screws to a manager who really needs it

I walk up during a profanity-laced tirade, and cut right in and say "Well, Mr. MBA, I'm sure you're not suggesting that these qualified employees violate Rule XXX, which clearly...

under any circumstances, run that equipment through a switch that the signal department hasn't checked, would you?

That would be a serious violation, and could get him a 30-day suspension without pay.

And if you were to suggest that he do that, you wouldn't have a union card in your pocket, and he would have 30 witnesses that saw you give him...

He turned three shades of purple, stomped back to his little white company sedan, and drove away.

He held on to his asinine mid-shift shift change for another 2 weeks until he couldn't hide the massive production delays from his boss anymore, and suddenly he wasn't in...

The total cost of his little venture? Just over $940,000 over the course of 6 weeks. But, he did manage to save $700 a night on those off hours that...

EDIT: Without doubt, the best part of this post is that I'm up to 11 different railroads being mentioned between the posts and the DMs of guys swearing that this...

How the Plan Fell Apart

The work required coordination between track crews and signal crews, each governed by different unions and rules. Track crews could work nights. Signal crews could not have a dedicated night shift. When signal workers stayed late, they had to be sent home and paid to rest once they hit certain limits.

The existing workaround was messy but functional. Some downtime. Some overtime. Jobs still moved forward.

Corporate decided that was unacceptable.

Instead, management ordered a mid-shift handoff. Evening crews would stay late. Day crews would come in early. No more “wasted” paid rest. On paper, it saved a few hundred dollars a night.

The manager immediately raised concerns. Overtime could not be forced without emergencies. Not all workers were qualified for all tasks.

Half the vehicles had been cut years earlier, making smooth handoffs impossible. Most critically, when signal crews were absent, track crews had to stop working entirely for safety reasons.

All objections were noted. All were ignored.

So the manager stepped aside and let the plan run.

Night one, work stopped at 1 a.m. The relief crew arrived after 4. By the time they were set up, there was no time left to safely complete anything. Track crews packed up.

Night two was marginally better. A little progress. Still mostly lost time.

Nights three and four were worse due to heavy rain. Long drives. No work completed after the handoff.

By Monday morning, only about 30 percent of the planned work was done. A six-week job was now projected to be more than 15 weeks behind and wildly over budget.

When Metrics Met Reality

At the morning meeting, the MBA launched into a polished speech about key metrics, percent spent versus percent complete, and efficiency erosion. Then he pointed the finger at the manager, accusing him of collusion and intentional slowdown.

The response was calm. The manager produced the previous week’s meeting minutes and asked a simple question. Did he still want the mid-shift change?

The answer was yes. The solution, apparently, was to make reality move faster.

For the next three weeks, nothing improved. Work crawled. Crews waited. Money burned quietly.

Then the MBA showed up on site one night.

He arrived just in time to watch the night signal crew leave. He watched the track crews shut down equipment and gather to smoke and joke, knowing they were about to be paid for hours of waiting. Furious, he screamed at them to get back to work.

They refused. They knew the rules. They knew the risks. And they knew exactly who had created this situation.

When the manager arrived, he interrupted the tirade and calmly reminded the MBA of the specific safety rule forbidding that work without signal clearance. He explained the consequences for anyone who violated it. Thirty witnesses. Union protections. Serious discipline.

The MBA turned purple, stormed off, and drove away.

Two weeks later, he was no longer in charge of estimates.

The Cost of Being “Right”

The final tally was brutal. Just over $940,000 wasted in six weeks.

But technically, the plan worked. It saved about $700 a night in avoided downtime pay.

This was not malicious compliance. No one broke rules. No one dragged their feet. Everyone simply followed instructions exactly as given.

And reality did the rest.

Here’s what people had to say to OP:

Most commenters zeroed in on the same theme. Penny wise and pound foolish. 

Frari − The total cost of his little venture? Just over $940,000 over the course of 6 weeks.

But, he did manage to save $700 a night on those off hours that he didn't have to pay for.

Sounds like he has earned a nickname. "Million Dollar Man" or maybe "millionaire"

vasishtsrini − The definition of penny wise and pound foolish. We see this in healthcare routinely.

Boeing is finding out the hard way what happens when you let bean counters take over highly technical and specialized industries.

GrecDeFreckle − I have had the distinct displeasure of meeting three people in the last year that held high level of qualifications and are complete idiots.

Suppose it's the danger of teaching just the books and expecting people to suddently work out it's a mix of books n boots. And I really hope someone sent him...

Money Set on Fire. ”

Many shared similar stories from railroads, factories, healthcare, and telecom, where metrics replaced judgment and experience. 

ludditte − Used to work for a big telecom company and you pretty well described the timeline of the MBAs coming in and taking over the old Bell system guys.

Still an ongoing disaster. Share prices right now are MBA certified.

quats555 − Lovely. Unfortunately, the only lesson learned from this was likely “UNiOns BaD! keEpS PerFEcT pLaN fRoM WoRKinG! ”

[Reddit User] − Whenever he tries to give you an order, just ask him "oh, so you want me to waste another million dollars? "

Others joked that the MBA had earned a permanent nickname, something involving “million dollars.”

Weth_C − Plant I work for is doing this same thing with gauging by metrics and such.

We used to my over 10,000 more product per day than we do now but they keep adding asinine work order procedures.

They want is to fix machines we are called for, but not before the op decides to put in a work order so we can start our time.

Then we do the work. While we are doing the work we get called on the radio for 2 other small problems that can be fixed with a screwdriver in...

But no, we have to finish this job then go back to shop and switch WO’s then go back out to that machine which could be right beside the previous...

We could do that 10 second fix, but then we would have to adjust time in the WO and that throws off the metrics. Bunch of BS.

They want to micromanage and see every little thing going on, but will be surprised when they micromanage the plant into closure from lack of production quota.

bhgkiks2018 − This entire situation describes exactly why the rail system in the US is a fraction of what it once was.

A few pointed out the bitter irony that the only lesson learned was likely blaming unions instead of leadership.

Frequent-Frosting336 − Worked security at a factory (UK), Fresh outta college manager decides, employees are arriving at 4.30 am so security should leave at 4:30am.

site is surrounded by a 6 to 7 foot fence. Gate need swipe cards, except for double gates.

3 days in a van driver from sister site arrives at 4.45 am to drop off stuff, he jumps fence, grabs keys to main gate as he cant see security,...

Main gate now left open 5.30 a van pulls in and loads up £25,000 worth of Brass drives off.

Staff that saw the guy thought it was just another Company van. Needless to say security was back finishing at 6 am.

2LostFlamingos − I remember once my boss was talking about how easy it was to replace good employees.

My skip level boss, her boss wasn’t having it. Knowing I’d trained 20+ people, he asks my opinion of how long it takes to get up to full independence.

I say at least 6-12 months to get them 90% there, depending on the person. He nods in agreement.

The middle person is incredulous. She says “I’m only going to hire the smartest phds, from the best schools, there’s no way it’ll be 6-12 months!”

I say “no in that case, we are looking at 2-3 years since we’ll need at least a year to convince them that they still need to learn. ” Big...

Other person was not happy. I left that job shortly after.

This story sticks because it is familiar. Skilled people warning of consequences. Management hearing them. Management ignoring them. And then acting shocked when the consequences arrive on schedule.

The railroad did not fail because of unions or weather or lazy workers. It failed because someone believed credentials mattered more than experience.

Sometimes the most expensive lessons are the ones taught gently, over time, with no gloating at all. Just invoices.

So was this stubborn bureaucracy getting what it deserved, or a cautionary tale every technical industry keeps relearning the hard way?

Charles Butler

Charles Butler

Hey there, fellow spotlight seekers! As the PIC of our social issues beat—and a guy who's dived headfirst into journalism and media studies—I'm obsessed with unpacking how we chase thrills, swap stories, and tangle with the big, messy debates of inequality, justice, and resilience, whether on screens or over drinks in a dive bar. Life's an endless, twisty reel, so I love spotlighting its rawest edges in words. Growing up on early internet forums and endless news scrolls, I'm forever blending my inner fact-hoarder with the restless wanderer itching to uncover every hidden corner of the world.

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