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Manager Tried to Trap Employee in Off-the-Clock Meetings – Employee Played ‘If It’s Not in Writing, It Didn’t Happen’ and Won

by Charles Butler
October 13, 2025
in Social Issues

A busy call center hummed with phones and headsets. One new manager started picking fights with the wrong employee. Calls were “too long.” Arrivals were a few minutes late. Even near-perfect metrics didn’t matter.

The worker had enough. They kept every interaction in writing and used union support. The manager’s own rule, “if it’s not in writing, it didn’t happen”, backfired.

The result? The manager got fired, and Reddit went wild. This story is about petty compliance, smart boundaries, and turning rules into protection.

Manager Tried to Trap Employee in Off-the-Clock Meetings - Employee Played ‘If It’s Not in Writing, It Didn’t Happen’ and Won
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A “In Writing” Retort Got Their Control-Freak Boss Booted!

"If it's not in writing, it didn't happen" goes both ways!?

My new manager at work is one of those people that absolutely has to be in control. Even when you're exceeding every scorecard measure, keeping you head down,

not putting a toe out of line, she still asks you to come to a meeting room to discuss some minor issue or another.

Recently, she pulled me into a meeting to discuss me being late from work. Protocol is to call in, say we'll be late, then submit a schedule adjustment request when...

She accused me of not calling in or submitting a request but was able to prove I did, only instead of leaving it at that,

she insisted I now needed to call her and explain why I was late. That's not the process, I told her, and she said she was making a new one.

So now I call her at 6am on her day off to let her know if I'm gonna be late.

She also had a meeting with me because my scorecard for a stat was 99/100, with a target of 50, she had to point out the 1/100 I missed.

She also did the same for a handling time issue where I am hitting an average of 600 seconds with a target of 1500, she needed to tell me about...

Suffice to say, complaints have been raised to her manager.

Following an incident where she was asked to follow up on something for me, and claimed 'if it's not in writing, it didn't happen,'

I've been asking for everything in writing and repeat that mantra back to her when she claims to have told me something.

Last week, she asked me to see her after my call. I walked over and she wasn't there, so went back to my desk.

She asked me why I didn't stay around, and I reminded her of the time she put, in writing, that I wasn't to spend more than one minute waiting for...

and was to go back to my desk to take calls, not wasting time. She asked me to come over again, and when I did, she wasn't there.

This repeated twice more before my shift was over. Each time I documented "Logged out at 14:14:35pm, came to your desk, you were not there, spent 45 seconds waiting, returned...

She messages me to ask what time I finish. I tell her it was two minutes prior, and she says we can catch up now.

I tell her that my shift if over, and ask if she'll approve an overtime pay for an out of hours meeting. She tells me not to be silly, and...

I refuse, and say if I don't get paid, we can do it tomorrow when I am being paid. She's typing, then not, then typing, then not, choosing her words.

I know she's angry at being challenged, and she decided to employ one of the tactics she used when she managed a team for a company where this was standard...

"Okay, well, if you'd like to go home now, I can always make it a formal meeting?"

A 'formal meeting' where I work is code for a meeting with HR, documented on your record, for misconduct and repeated issues.

She thinks she's won. "Not a problem. Make a formal meeting, ensure I have 24 hours notice, send a formal invite, and I will bring a support person with me."

I log out and leave, but not before grabbing screenshots and saving a copy of the chat logs.

Next day, she's called my bluff and has a meeting scheduled. I send it to my union rep, and she comes in on the day.

HR sits down with us and opens with "So we're here today to discuss some concerns. Your team leader asked you to attend an off the cuff catch-up three times,...

I quickly clarify what actually happened. My manager claims otherwise, and I repeat her mantra - if it's not in writing, it didn't happen.

Then I supply receipts, her demands to put things in writing, her chat, my timestamps, my call logs, and her message to me afterwards.

My union rep stares at the two of them, with a small smile, and asks "So do you maintain the position that employees should attend meetings unpaid, and that misconduct...

HR said there may have been a miscommunication, and that I could return to work. I have it put in writing that I am not accused of any misconduct, and...

Yesterday, my team was advised that our team leader had decided to pursue opportunities outside of the company and we were getting a new manager.

EDIT: Small comment to those that say it's a s__tty place to work, full disclosure, it's actually not.

Job is satisfying on a personal and ethical level (I deal with vulnerable people and help them), pay and perks are great, and the people are great to work with.

The metrics are more than reasonable and all my managers over the last several years have been wonderful except a couple, who were wrong for the role and were swiftly...

The Worker Who Flipped the Script

The Redditor was a top performer. She consistently met and exceeded her metrics. But the new manager didn’t care. She nitpicked over small mistakes.

Calls that were a few seconds over the limit were flagged. Being a few minutes late, even when properly reported, was criticized. Even a nearly perfect scorecard became a reason for complaint.

The manager demanded verbal check-ins. She tried to make the Redditor do unpaid overtime. Everything had to be “formal” and “in writing,” but the manager ignored the rules when it suited her.

Instead of arguing or quitting, the Redditor did something clever. She followed the rules exactly. She refused to do unpaid work. She documented every meeting, call, and instruction.

Every conversation was saved in writing. When the manager threatened a “formal meeting,” she called the union. The union checked the logs and chat history. It was clear the manager was unfair and controlling. HR had no choice. The manager had to leave the company.

Reddit loved this story. Many users called it “stupid games, stupid prizes.”

A 2023 SHRM report says 67% of employees feel frustrated with micromanagement, especially when top performers are targeted. Clear rules, fair treatment, and trust could have avoided this conflict.

Lessons from the Call Center Chaos

This story shows how important it is to know your rights. Employees should document important conversations.

Keeping written records can protect you when bosses act unfairly. Following rules exactly can sometimes be the best way to stand up to unfair management.

Managers also have lessons to learn. Micromanaging high-performing employees usually backfires. Trust and recognition work better than constant oversight.

Clear communication and expectations prevent most conflicts. HR policies exist for protection, but open dialogue often solves problems before they escalate.

For workplaces, having clear rules about overtime, meetings, and performance standards is critical. Employees need boundaries. Managers need to respect them. If both sides follow policies, conflicts can be avoided.

Let’s dive into the reactions from Reddit:

Many praised the worker for using documentation and union support to protect herself. Some shared similar experiences with controlling managers.

[Reddit User] − I loved every minute of reading this. I will be logging those minutes. Well done!

Proud_Positive_2998 − *Yesterday, my team was advised that our team leader had decided to pursue opportunities outside of the company and we were getting a new manager.

Translated from corporate this means "team leader made us look bad and we are NOT happy!"

6Legger − Many years ago I worked for a company in a salaried position to take into account the new working time directive in the UK.

I was on an average 36 hour week working three days in the week and one at the weekend.

They estimated my shifts to be 9 hours, but in reality, they were 12 hour shifts with 2 to 3 hours worth of travelling time per shift. So I built...

When I came to take time off, my manager said that I had to arrange my own cover and I could only take my leave on my allocated days off...

I said that she was incorrect and she suggested I take up the matter with HR. So she was surprised when I did so and bought in my union rep.

It was at this point HR discovered that I had built up enough excessive hours that I could have two weeks off before even touching my allocated leave.

20 minutes into the scheduled meeting, I was asked to leave so that my manager and the HR manager could discuss this matter.

Others noted that the workplace itself was fine, good pay, great benefits, and strong ethics but the rogue manager caused all the stress.

ControversyisKey − I really don't get it. I'm a manager and if I had an employee that's demolishing expectations, I'd be leaving them alone and make sure that they get...

wibblywobbly420 − I used to work credit and activations for a mobile company with a -T- in the name.

I got in trouble for my average call time being roughly 2.5 min when they were suppose to be between 5-7 minutes.

Many of the people calling in were store owners activating phone for customers, but apparently I was suppose to chat them up to show good customer service.

Maybe it's just me, but when I call a customer centre, I just want done what I want done, as quick as possible to do without mistakes.

SalleighG − Did she jump, or was she pushed? . .. she probably is feeling hard done by, such awful working conditions, management won't back up her authority, such obstinate...

Sir_Stash − Oh this triggered my call center memories. I was a fast call taker and my supervisors liked to be on my case about not getting an above-average first...

However, my call handle time was half of what was expected and easily the best in a 150+ person call center.

Every supervisor I had (they liked to rotate employees to different supervisors every 3-6 months) would get on me about my FCR.

I'd point out that from my own follow-up the ones I was assigning out were, in fact, not resolvable with our level of access.

Eventually they got a system where all issues were marked in the internal system as something we should or should not be able to resolve (password resets we should always...

Shockingly, while my FCR stat stayed right around the call center average, I was hitting perfect or near perfect scores on what calls should or shouldn't be assigned out.

My supervisor was completely confused how this could be until I pointed out that if I was taking one

and a half to twice as many calls as the average agent I was going to trend towards the actual average of FCR instead of being an outlier who resolved...

They left me alone after that.

Others joked that this was a “lesson in paperwork warfare” and called it satisfying to see justice served.

teawithsocrates − This was a pleasure to read. Thank you for starting my day off wonderfully! And congratulations!

t_bone_stake − Well played OP. Nothing like using your (now former) boss’ words against them and see them be out of a job

Stabbmaster − That's why unions exist. Because too many people act like people when they get even a little bit of authority.

What Could Have Been Done Differently

For the worker, a calm conversation might have helped at first. Explaining her achievements and willingness to cooperate could have reduced tension. Offering compromises, like voluntary extra check-ins with pay, might have helped maintain peace.

For the manager, trust was key. Recognizing a high-performing employee instead of micromanaging them could have built loyalty. Clear guidelines on what counts as late, long, or wrong would have prevented nitpicking.

For the workplace, HR could have checked the manager’s style earlier. Policies about overtime, meetings, and fair treatment are important. Regular communication and performance reviews keep problems from escalating.

Who Won the Call Center Battle?

This “in writing” saga turned a micromanager’s obsession into her undoing. The Redditor’s documentation and union support were brilliant moves. The manager’s exit shows that rules and evidence can beat control and unfair treatment.

Employees should know their rights and keep receipts. Managers should build trust, not fear. HR should support fair play. In the end, standing your ground and following the rules carefully can protect your job and even lead to justice.

Have you ever had a boss push too far? How did you handle it? Could documentation or union support have helped you like it helped this Redditor? Share your story below!

 

Charles Butler

Charles Butler

Hey there, fellow spotlight seekers! As the PIC of our social issues beat—and a guy who's dived headfirst into journalism and media studies—I'm obsessed with unpacking how we chase thrills, swap stories, and tangle with the big, messy debates of inequality, justice, and resilience, whether on screens or over drinks in a dive bar. Life's an endless, twisty reel, so I love spotlighting its rawest edges in words. Growing up on early internet forums and endless news scrolls, I'm forever blending my inner fact-hoarder with the restless wanderer itching to uncover every hidden corner of the world.

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